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	<title>Comments on: Social media is more than a numbers game. Guest post from Ben LaMothe</title>
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		<title>By: Xpirtdesign LA</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-1931</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post. 

I too agree that your success can&#039;t be measured by the number of followers you have on social medias.Social medias are the best way to communicate and get yourself public and boost your business, Yes...that&#039;s the point where we need to think about the number of followers you have. If they are following you simply because they accidentally slipped into your page and saw a follow button. If it&#039;s not giving your business a boom financially (finance is the first preference when you do business...I think) then no use of showing the world that you have 4000 followers.

As in the case of optimizing a site for search engines (if your site is ranked above 5, but the clicks are not converting you any sales then what&#039;s the purpose of saying you are being listed No.1) Even if you have 10 users and they keep in touch with you, that&#039;s much much better than the 3000 or 4000 dead followers. 

Anybody can create their facebook page or twitter feeds, but it has to be strategically focused on the objective of the purpose it was being created for. Sales conversion is what you think when you launch a social media page, then it doesn&#039;t matter how many followers you have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. </p>
<p>I too agree that your success can&#8217;t be measured by the number of followers you have on social medias.Social medias are the best way to communicate and get yourself public and boost your business, Yes&#8230;that&#8217;s the point where we need to think about the number of followers you have. If they are following you simply because they accidentally slipped into your page and saw a follow button. If it&#8217;s not giving your business a boom financially (finance is the first preference when you do business&#8230;I think) then no use of showing the world that you have 4000 followers.</p>
<p>As in the case of optimizing a site for search engines (if your site is ranked above 5, but the clicks are not converting you any sales then what&#8217;s the purpose of saying you are being listed No.1) Even if you have 10 users and they keep in touch with you, that&#8217;s much much better than the 3000 or 4000 dead followers. </p>
<p>Anybody can create their facebook page or twitter feeds, but it has to be strategically focused on the objective of the purpose it was being created for. Sales conversion is what you think when you launch a social media page, then it doesn&#8217;t matter how many followers you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Orange County SEO</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orange County SEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This is really very good blogs. I got very good information. I prefer to read it in future.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma Went</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gemma Went]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely. Strategy first. Tactics after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. Strategy first. Tactics after.</p>
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		<title>By: Pritesh Patel</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pritesh Patel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of that common image used in 99% of all social media presentations.....the one of a cart loaded with logos of all the social media platforms. Headline reads: &quot;Is your business jumping on the bandwagon?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of that common image used in 99% of all social media presentations&#8230;..the one of a cart loaded with logos of all the social media platforms. Headline reads: &#8220;Is your business jumping on the bandwagon?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma Went</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gemma Went]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Louise, thanks for that. I agree with you that social media should not run in isolation, particularly as the results spread across online and offline. A campaigns success should be measured in terms of the objectives of that campaign. Period. The target audience engagement could be just one of those metrics. Sales derived from that audience is another, and so on. I think the issue we have is that people attempt to apply metrics without considering what the original objectives were. I do wonder if part of that is not knowing what the objectives are in the first place and simply jumping into social media activity with no clear strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Louise, thanks for that. I agree with you that social media should not run in isolation, particularly as the results spread across online and offline. A campaigns success should be measured in terms of the objectives of that campaign. Period. The target audience engagement could be just one of those metrics. Sales derived from that audience is another, and so on. I think the issue we have is that people attempt to apply metrics without considering what the original objectives were. I do wonder if part of that is not knowing what the objectives are in the first place and simply jumping into social media activity with no clear strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise McGregor</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louise McGregor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I almost agree. I agree that absolute number of followers is not the best measure of success, it&#039;s just the easiest number to analyse so gets used a lot.

But I don&#039;t agree that you should judge a social media campaign as success &quot; by who is following, what their role is, and if they are part of your client’s target audience&quot; unless that was your business goal for the campaign.

I think campaigns online/offline/socialmedia/intergalactic must be established with a business goal in mind, and the metrics are derived from that business goal.

For example, suppose a museum wants to increase the proportion of young (16-21 year olds) people coming to the museum. They might build a campaign via facebook. They can measure the total number of fans, they can measure the number of &quot;qualified&quot; leads in that fan base. But neither of those measures tell you whether the campaign was succesful for the business. You can only tell that by seeing that there are more young people coming through the door, and you could measure the social media campaign contribution to that by using a voucher system for the tickets or a sample survey of visitors.

Because that&#039;s the other thing, social media campaigns should not run in isolation - in the example above the offline marketing such as a poster campaign should be integrated, and even the exhibition itself (the product) could be created in a way to involve young people.

The best I&#039;ve seen on this subject comes from Olivier Blanchard (http://www.slideshare.net/thebrandbuilder/olivier-blanchard-basics-of-social-media-roi).

Overall you&#039;re right though, fan/follower numbers are not by themselves very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost agree. I agree that absolute number of followers is not the best measure of success, it&#8217;s just the easiest number to analyse so gets used a lot.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t agree that you should judge a social media campaign as success &#8221; by who is following, what their role is, and if they are part of your client’s target audience&#8221; unless that was your business goal for the campaign.</p>
<p>I think campaigns online/offline/socialmedia/intergalactic must be established with a business goal in mind, and the metrics are derived from that business goal.</p>
<p>For example, suppose a museum wants to increase the proportion of young (16-21 year olds) people coming to the museum. They might build a campaign via facebook. They can measure the total number of fans, they can measure the number of &#8220;qualified&#8221; leads in that fan base. But neither of those measures tell you whether the campaign was succesful for the business. You can only tell that by seeing that there are more young people coming through the door, and you could measure the social media campaign contribution to that by using a voucher system for the tickets or a sample survey of visitors.</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s the other thing, social media campaigns should not run in isolation &#8211; in the example above the offline marketing such as a poster campaign should be integrated, and even the exhibition itself (the product) could be created in a way to involve young people.</p>
<p>The best I&#8217;ve seen on this subject comes from Olivier Blanchard (<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/thebrandbuilder/olivier-blanchard-basics-of-social-media-roi" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/thebrandbuilder/olivier-blanchard-basics-of-social-media-roi</a>).</p>
<p>Overall you&#8217;re right though, fan/follower numbers are not by themselves very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Pritesh Patel</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pritesh Patel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes they will do. Why? Because it&#039;s the easiest number to measure. But this does not tell you anything about your performance, engagement levels, sentiment or influence. It doesn&#039;t tell you how much traffic its generated to your site, how social media participation has increased newsletter subscription by X% or lead to X number of new opportunities/quotations etc

The real goals lie elsewhere, social media is just a platform to leverage those &#039;goals&#039; or KPI&#039;s which already exist. It&#039;s just up to clients and agencies to work out what they are and collate them into a workable strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes they will do. Why? Because it&#8217;s the easiest number to measure. But this does not tell you anything about your performance, engagement levels, sentiment or influence. It doesn&#8217;t tell you how much traffic its generated to your site, how social media participation has increased newsletter subscription by X% or lead to X number of new opportunities/quotations etc</p>
<p>The real goals lie elsewhere, social media is just a platform to leverage those &#8216;goals&#8217; or KPI&#8217;s which already exist. It&#8217;s just up to clients and agencies to work out what they are and collate them into a workable strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma Went</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gemma Went]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely Pritesh, unfortunately the numbers game is a false economy, but people seem to place so much importance on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Pritesh, unfortunately the numbers game is a false economy, but people seem to place so much importance on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pritesh Patel</title>
		<link>http://gemmawent.com/2010/02/26/social-media-is-more-than-a-numbers-game-guest-post-from-ben-lamothe/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pritesh Patel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Participating in Social Media to build awareness and trust is great and does take time, however &#039;success&#039; should NOT be judged by the number of followers anyone has. I know many tweeters/businesses who boast about having over 4000 followers but when I look at their followings approximately 40% of those are &#039;bots&#039; (bots don&#039;t engage with you and only follow you based on a keyword included within a tweet). So the  4000 now becomes 2400. Now out of those 2400 how many do you actually engage with on a regular basis? How many Retweet your message on a regular basis? Probably 100 or 200 at the most?

So now 4000 followers have quickly been twittled down to 100 regular engaging followers. Doesn&#039;t look so impressive now does it? 

Agencies MUST reinforce this message with clients &quot;Social media is not about the number of followers&quot; and &quot;Success is not based on the number of followers&quot;

There are many great posts, tools and metrics available out there to measure success of social media. At the end of the day the agency must educate themselves on what works best for their clients requirements and work up an agreed strategy/plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Participating in Social Media to build awareness and trust is great and does take time, however &#8216;success&#8217; should NOT be judged by the number of followers anyone has. I know many tweeters/businesses who boast about having over 4000 followers but when I look at their followings approximately 40% of those are &#8216;bots&#8217; (bots don&#8217;t engage with you and only follow you based on a keyword included within a tweet). So the  4000 now becomes 2400. Now out of those 2400 how many do you actually engage with on a regular basis? How many Retweet your message on a regular basis? Probably 100 or 200 at the most?</p>
<p>So now 4000 followers have quickly been twittled down to 100 regular engaging followers. Doesn&#8217;t look so impressive now does it? </p>
<p>Agencies MUST reinforce this message with clients &#8220;Social media is not about the number of followers&#8221; and &#8220;Success is not based on the number of followers&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many great posts, tools and metrics available out there to measure success of social media. At the end of the day the agency must educate themselves on what works best for their clients requirements and work up an agreed strategy/plan.</p>
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